tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22713811.post9014084971461613430..comments2023-05-18T10:02:56.564+02:00Comments on Pappus' plane - cricket stats: Michael Vaughan looks funny when he gets bowled, but that is all.David Barryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08378763233797445502noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22713811.post-29727848584522468192008-07-20T05:42:00.000+02:002008-07-20T05:42:00.000+02:00David, your statistics prove MV wrong. So it is a ...David, your statistics prove MV wrong. So it is a case of Afridi syndrome. Despite his innumerable failures, people still remember Afridi for his few attacking knocks. I think people tend to remember MV's 'bowled' dismissals just because they stay in memory more than his other modes of dismissal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22713811.post-48959403243165904692008-07-17T06:54:00.000+02:002008-07-17T06:54:00.000+02:00I think Chanderpaul may be developing into the ult...I think Chanderpaul may be developing into the ultimate unbowlable as his career develops. At one stage (between 2004 and2007) he faced 5672 balls spread over 57 innings without being bowled in a Test. He spent about 138 hours at the crease without anyone hitting his stumps.zscorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16792055762141123664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22713811.post-68816836623072674102008-07-15T06:29:00.000+02:002008-07-15T06:29:00.000+02:00Some batsman would rather die than go out bowled. ...Some batsman would rather die than go out bowled. <BR/><BR/>Do you like to fight injustice?<BR/><BR/>Yes, that is truly an exceptional quality you have. <BR/><BR/>Please sign the <A HREF="http://www.petitiononline.com/SOBill/petition.html" REL="nofollow">Save our Bill</A> Lawry petition to keep the Corporate vultures from ending the career of our favourite excitable one. <BR/><BR/>Think of the children.Jrodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02855673052242389414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22713811.post-37210452405808690472008-07-14T11:14:00.000+02:002008-07-14T11:14:00.000+02:00Brilliant stuff Dave - Thanks.I think your last po...Brilliant stuff Dave - Thanks.<BR/><BR/>I think your last point is the key for Vaughan: too often he is bowled too early.<BR/><BR/>Having spent yesterday at Lord's it's hard to believe any player will ever be bowled again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22713811.post-20808755873199257902008-07-13T12:30:00.000+02:002008-07-13T12:30:00.000+02:00Re-doing the analysis but only considering innings...Re-doing the analysis but only considering innings of 20 runs or less, your intuition is pretty accurate - Vaughan gets out bowled early a lot. In the top 20% or so of batsmen. <BR/><BR/>(Just thinking about that, that's measuring how often they get bowled given that they get out early - not quite the same thing as how often they get out bowled early. But close enough.)<BR/><BR/>Once again, he's been worse since 2005, but it's a smaller sample.David Barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08378763233797445502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22713811.post-80254738198225744352008-07-13T10:00:00.000+02:002008-07-13T10:00:00.000+02:00How about a combination of the Vaughan thing, and ...How about a combination of the Vaughan thing, and the bowled-early-in-an-innings thing - does Vaughan get bowled unusually often early on? Is the sample size going to be too small?<BR/><BR/>Apologies if you've covered it and I missed it...getting late here :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22713811.post-13591563838661413992008-07-13T09:47:00.000+02:002008-07-13T09:47:00.000+02:00Wow...thank you, David!Wow...thank you, David!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22713811.post-69996342047600126232008-07-13T02:34:00.000+02:002008-07-13T02:34:00.000+02:00One other thing is worth saying. Fans have a legi...One other thing is worth saying. Fans have a legimitimate gripe if a batsman as good as Vaughan is missing straight balls on off stump. It's the sort of problem that should be able to be fixed without cost to the rest of his game.<BR/><BR/>It's just that in evaluating him overall as a batsman, he's not that bad when it comes to getting out bowled. You just don't notice that he's slightly better on average at (I'm guessing here) not chopping the ball on, or keeping out fast yorkers.David Barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08378763233797445502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22713811.post-62481537318869111232008-07-12T11:48:00.000+02:002008-07-12T11:48:00.000+02:00I just did some edits, fixing up the regression to...I just did some edits, fixing up the regression to the mean. I was using the observed variance of the bowled proportions, without taking into account the fact that random binomial luck would play a part.<BR/><BR/>Metatone: Thanks. I didn't count not-outs at all. If I did, then Chanderpaul would presumably be even lower.<BR/><BR/>Suave: He started his career in 1999, so restricting to the 2000's shouldn't make much difference! Since 2005, he's observed 0.21 - so he has been getting bowled more often recently. But that's also a smaller sample, so it's a less accurate estimate of what his batting is really like. He regresses to 0.16, which would put him around the top quarter of batsmen.David Barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08378763233797445502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22713811.post-34573471574436094112008-07-12T11:27:00.000+02:002008-07-12T11:27:00.000+02:00Nice work David.. How does Vaughan compare, if yo...Nice work David.. How does Vaughan compare, if you bring it forward to just the Noughties?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22713811.post-66822138996145015182008-07-12T10:09:00.000+02:002008-07-12T10:09:00.000+02:00I fully expected Chanderpaul to have few bowleds, ...I fully expected Chanderpaul to have few bowleds, but that's just because he seems to get a lot of not outs. I don't know if that's correct or not...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22713811.post-36839262482978559652008-07-12T10:06:00.000+02:002008-07-12T10:06:00.000+02:00Thanks for this! It's brilliant when someone has t...Thanks for this! It's brilliant when someone has the knowledge to put questions like this in perspective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com